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There was a very short period of time I was united to these two ex Hutterite men but it ended in an act of traitor like ways by them. The truth must be told & exposed lest I be partial, which my God hates. 1 Timothy 5:21
To be clear; I place these facts here for clarification, edification, learning and the saving of their souls not a 'get you' moment. It is my hope they repent and come to themselves as I want no ill or God's wrath for anyone. To be clear, the bible calls out men's sins by name for teaching, rebuking and exhortation. (a biblical rebuke means to show fault)
Here are bullet point facts as many are wondering what happened between us: (I waited 2 months but no repentance has been shown towards us and this situation.)
*I knew of Patrick over several years and he was reaching out to me but each time his stubborn, prideful, novice, stiff necked ways, even defending the Hutterites heresy and that always kept us apart. (He later agreed he was that way for years....)
*Eventually he did leave the Hutterites and in 2022 we started fellowshiping long distance. I learned that his house was not in full biblical order (after a long time in Christ) nor was he even united to his brother, dad/mom, who lived right next door.
*I reached out to his brother who decided to go into the world on his own so we all separated from him.
*I reached out to Ben (his dad), who did not even claim to be born again and I tried to work with him in truth. It did not go well at first but eventually he decided to repent and seek God's kingdom with us as well. (There were some trust issues here all along.)
*By applying God's truth, both Patrick and Ben's houses got biblical quickly though there was flesh, pride, stubborn ways and other issues at play in them. I had some trust issues with them both though I forgave them and was trying hard to move on. We were on the phone daily and often for hours in study. I wanted to work at it and help them grow up in Christ. Patrick even gave his testimony to me on audio as we were all in to help them including money we sent to help them in ministry efforts. (The money was returned when we parted ways as we had agreed to.)
*We were united in doctrinal truth and standing against the wicked Hutterites and they both told me stories of Hutterite sins like drunken-ness and a man's death at a colony that could have been, a murder? Police investigated and all with polygraph tests. But sadly our unity did not last long. Paul says a little bit of leaven (sin) affects much.
*Patrick's mother in law decided to leave the Thompson Hutterite colony and we all planned to help her. It was a task neither Ben or Patrick were really up for spiritually. Patrick went and helped her flee and brought her to his home.
*We all had talked and had a good plan how to deal with the Hutterites coming to get this sheep back. But Patrick (as usual) went around our plan, did his own way and let her sons (wolves) right into his home to sit and talk to her. It had to weaken this woman as my wife was counseling her through it all.
*Patrick and I had it out in a long heated discussion and at first he made excuses but then he admitted he was wrong to let wolves right in. We talked it out and all kept going on together with him saying he would do better, which was his way to say ;yes; but then it happened all over again.
*We shored up our agreed plan and soon more Hutterites came to his house (against police orders) to get at this woman. I was on the phone with Patrick guiding him through it all to be strong for this sheep. He ended up not even including me on the phone call and he made a total mess of this second Hutterite rescue attempt. (I have it all on audio as we agreed to record it) He allowed those men to stand at his house and talk and talk and talk, even as the police were there. I even have a voice mail from Patrick admitting he blew it again asking forgiveness. Keep in mind, one of the men at his house was the man they said they police polygraphed for that possible drunken murder.
*Ben then calls me after I get off the phone with Patrick and says he thinks Patrick is in OVER his head and afraid of that man at his house and Ben says...... they polygraphed him for the murder. These wicked Hutterites are at a private home trying to get at a sheep and with them was a suspect in a drunken murder! (By the way; I trust Ben's info as he was the brother in law and close to a Thompson colony leader George Tschetter. )
*Here is where the whole thing goes very bad..... I make the statement that we need to call these wicked men out and let the world know about that drunken murder issue and expose evil... per Eph 5. Not use any man's name but expose the issue in general was my desire to protect that woman who fled. Then Ben (the very same day he told me about the polygraph test for the murder) calls me angry that I want to expose the Hutterites. I tell him we need to do it and he says I am hateful, Hutterite bashing and lording over them if I do it. (I have this on audio as we agreed to record all calls that day) He slams the phone down on me and never talks to me again. This is the same man that I have phone calls on my voice message, crying to me about the Lord and asking I help him. This whole mess goes to FB messenger and I ask Patrick about it all. (Keep in mind I am 2500 miles away traveling to preach the gospel just trying to help them) He also starts to defend the wicked Hutterites and says we can't call out that sin as we don't know all the facts, if it even happened. Note: him and Ben spoke it to me like it DID happen twice, now they want to hide it. Were they just gossiping or did they lie? Patrick makes all kinds of lame defenses to protect the evil Hutterites as Ben hid in the dark saying nothing, but Amen once. I ask/plead to them do not do this....you are pushing it too far and I can't walk with you if you defend these wicked men as traitors. But Patrick continues his defense of them and the same day he even blames me, calls me an accuser and ignores Ben's wrong treatment of us as he tossed us aside for the Hutterites. Partiality and cowardice destroyed our fellowship!
*I then made the decision to leave / shut down the FB forum and ask them to go ponder it all and let's talk in a day or so but that doesn't happen and you know why? Patrick ran to DELETE all his past posts to cover his trail of lies and deception. (He had a pattern of many issues of novice pride and lies.) That sealed it for us as the trust was shattered and we were all dis-fellowshiped from each other.
* I did try after that day to get them to see their sin to fix it all for God's glory. Ben stayed hidden never talked to me again and Patrick made many excuses saying it was all my fault as I tossed it all away. I only stopped the destructive FB forum and asked for time to think it out then talk. Patrick ran like a snake to delete all his FB posts that night. All along I wanted them both to see how partial and hypocritical they were being over the Hutterites but they rejected it out right and thus rejected us.
*That woman that left the Hutterites, the one Patrick let the wolves right in on, she went back to her colony vomit there. I hope Patrick loses sleep over that as he has a part in her failing to follow Jesus biblically and endure. He failed in a big way and his voice mail I have proves it.
*It does not end there.... as a few weeks after we are all torn apart by their partiality sin they denied; Patrick posts on his blog that .... HE WAS BEING PARTIAL ABOUT THE HUTTERITES and HE EXPOSES THE VERY DRUNKEN / POSSIBLE MURDER EVENT I WAS ASKING THEY CALL OUT.
* I have to wonder what is the fate of men who leave fellowship or get put out due to sin, they never repent and just go on like nothing happened? I know God will deal with them and I do fear for them. I have always tried to make right all relationships I have had in the Lord but rarely do men try in return.
While we would like to think he came to himself; he has never come to us to reconcile anything. He and Ben were seemingly happy destroying the fellowship that we had (all the ladies were getting along great) but not a finger was raised to try and make things right for God's glory. I need to note a young brother was involved in this all with us and he saw it as I did and he parted from them as well. See Patrick's words below off of his blog and the entire blog is at the end of this post:
"I have been partial and will not be so any longer, it is sin for me, God hates partiality. I have had hutterites curse and swear at me for speaking up against them, I have been called words that are to disgusting to think about, including c**ks*cker, a f**king a*h*le, devil, Satan, s-o-b, ect, Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh. And this is no secret, for I have been told by people concerning the hutterites, quote," all hooterites drink and curse and swear and stuff" Titus 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith. Your reputation is that of carnal, vile and gluttonous men, you can try and whitewash your graves, but you are deluding yourselves. Gluttony is impossible to hide, especially when you see hutterites walking around, fat and immodestly dressed, so much so, that you stand as witnesses against yourselves, when you remain united to those whose belly is seen before they are, and are not ashamed, and your ministers are not the least of these, they who are to be an example are among the biggest gluttons... the same of drunkenness, which is common among you, I had a minister from the hutterites call me a false prophet because I said that a gay man who would repent and come to Christ could be saved through the gospel, which is true,1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. Toby tried to say that because it says they will not inherit the kingdom of God, they will never be able to...I find the hypocrisy there astounding, for it clearly says, " such were some of you"... they could be saved in Christ (if they would believe and repent, and leave their sin, be born again, ect). He called me a false prophet for this, while in the same passage it lists revilers and drunkards! What does he do with that? His Thompson colony has been particularly wicked, one of their men, Marvin, called me and the vile language he used, includes most of those listed above among others, and he is not alone there, most of the members there are foul mouthed revilers and swear worse than those who do not claim to be of God. And what about drunkards? His colony, and to be impartial here, I do not personally know of one hutterite colony, that does not have drunkards on it. His colony has had incidents of ****drunkenness where police where involved, (a man died)**** I will not say more, as I do not personally know the details, but why is this among you, and you still think yourselves to be a church"
How do men destroy a fellowship by partiality then repent of it to others online but not the ones they offended? This is all the truth and I tell it so that others will see the destruction of sin and not go that route.
That is the tragic story of broken fellowship with ex hutterites who still have Hutterite ways in them. Again, I would beg of you all to take heed of this sad tale and learn from it lest you fall into it yourself.
Here is an audio about long distance fellowships as I learned a lot over the years:
***I will be adding a separate teaching of the lessons learned here to help others and my house. Stay tuned for that soon........
I am a better man because of this all and I hold no ill will. I already emailed them and said I hope they all strive on for His glory. But if they heed Jesus words about leaving a gift at the altar and fixing issues with a brother, they are in sin and great danger!
Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. Matt 5:23-24
Here is an audio on mending issues with brothers:
These men Patrick and Ben are rank HYPOCRITES and why? They will call out churchianity/anabaptist's, but by their own actions of partiality and division they are just like all the people who created 40,000 denominations in great sin. I pray they truly come to themselves and repent!
Note: I have moved on and do not read Patrick's blog any more. I have no clue if he will see this but it needed to be said. I expose others for their false doctrines so how could I NOT expose these partial men who acted like a Judas? They were most unloving to God's holy saints that love them and we tried hard to help them. God hates partiality (and so do I) so I must call it out no matter who is involved.
1 Tim 5:21 I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.
You can see my past experiences with Patrick here including his texts when he first called me and I contended for truth:
See the Hutterite colonies they were once involved in exposed here:
I wanted the facts to be made known so my neighbors are not deceived by such men.
See the gospel to eternal life here:
Patrick Walter FINALLY calls out the wicked Hutterites (in full & unedited)
This is a (maybe last, the Lord knows) call out to the hutterites. You did not listen when I was among you as a brother, you did not listen when I separated and called you out as a prophet would, (I do not call myself a prophet, but believers do a prophets job), so this time, permit me to call you out as Balaams ass, if you will not listen to the voice of a brother, or to the warnings of a believer, perhaps you will listen to the voice of an ass and open your eyes to the destruction in your path. If you do not, let this stand as a testimony against you. Matthew 7:16-20 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
What is your fruit, what do your branches produce?
The excuse most used by those who claim to be God's children among the hutterites is that I should not paint them all with the same brush, while there may be much sin among them, they are not all guilty of this, what can they do about others? This is either ignorance of what God's Word teaches, or wilful disobedience and compromise. At this point, simple ignorance does not fit, as every single time it is pointed out what God's Word teaches, it is ignored or excused away to none effect. There is not even an attempt to deny the thistles among you, but you all turn a blind eye to it, and try and talk about hope for future generations while you are sitting in unity with heresy, sin, and do not do anything about it! 1 Corinthians 5:2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. If a tree is known by its fruit, judge yourselves, what tree are you? John 15:5-6 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
If you are part of the vine of Christ as you say, how does it work that you produce abominations and evil? And if you claim to not all do this, and therefore you are innocent, you are lying to yourselves, or will you make the vine of Christ to have branches of sin? 1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. If you would keep the commandments of God, you would separate from sin, and not be puffed up and allow the wicked to have place and remain among you, but you would cut off the members which sin, but your disobedience and compromise has caused you to be deceived to the point where you think yourselves to be of Christ, while you hold fellowship with those living in sin. Some of you try to deny that you teach what you do, and twist the scripture to try and excuse your false doctrine. But your writings are undeniable, it is absurd that you would try and deny your doctrines instead of changing them and repenting of them if you do not agree with them. One example of this is the church is the ark, first some of you try to deny it, then you try and defend it! Those who try and deny it, go read your Chronicles, Peter Walpots letter to Simon in Poland, he clearly states that the church is the ark, and that it is a mediator, and this is quoted in your sermons, and I have personally heard at a conference of ministers the bishop Joe Wurz say to those who were to be ordained ministers that if they did not agree with this they could not be ordained. It is from this that you get the damnable practice of teaching that confession to a minister is required for forgiveness of sins, and if some of you try and deny this, the same bishop also said at the same meeting, (and not one minister challenged this!) that the belief a man could on his knees before God repent of his sin and pray for forgiveness, without going to the minister and going through the church, is a lie from the pit of hell itself. I guess this makes the psalms a lie then? Psalm 32:5 I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the Lord ; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah. Another of the supposed elder ministers, Paul from Webb, publicly lied and bore false witness against me, and when I confronted him about it afterwards, in the presence of other ministers who heard it, he just got mad and left, the other supposed elders said and did nothing about it. Another minister, Mike from Dundurn, shared with me some of what happens among them, and how politics and power struggles among the elders and ministers regulates much of what is said and done, only to flip flop back and participate in the same political hypocrisy, and deny the truth so he would remain acceptable to men, and these same hypocrites will tell people they need to come to them to have their sins forgiven...and who will forgive your sins you hypocrites? Pull the plank out of your own eyes! Reading out of a book does not make you a minister of God!! Jesus said Matthew 20:26-28 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.... apparently hutterite ministers did not read this? On pretty much every colony I have ever been to, the biggest, newest, and most expensive house and car is the ministers and steward, and their families. You can just about find the ministers and stewards houses by looking for the best and richest there. It is basically summed up in the old adage ''might makes right'' and we will do what we want, and you just bear it. This is to your shame and says more than words could. Looking at it from the outside, it is beyond absurd and controlling, that men should have to go to the minister and ask their permission to be allowed to take their wife or family to an appointment, or to go anywhere for that matter, and be subject to the whims of men, the control and lording over is cult like, and completely anti-Christ. And then to use the Word of God to try and justify this, "disobedience is as the sin of witchcraft", and other such passages, which refer to obedience to GODS Word, not the ideas of men!! Is it not enough that you do all this, will you make yourselves into God??
If some of you who claim to be born again try and say you do not agree with this, why do you not stand up against it? Why do you not separate from sin? And there is much sin among you, you try to hide it, but your rotten fruit is becoming increasingly difficult to bury and hide. I do not find pleasure in writing this, but let this stand as a testimony against you, I have been partial and will not be so any longer, it is sin for me, God hates partiality. I have had hutterites curse and swear at me for speaking up against them, I have been called words that are to disgusting to think about, including c**ks*cker, a f**king a*h*le, devil, Satan, s-o-b, ect, Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh. And this is no secret, for I have been told by people concerning the hutterites, quote," all hooterites drink and curse and swear and stuff" Titus 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith. Your reputation is that of carnal, vile and gluttonous men, you can try and whitewash your graves, but you are deluding yourselves. Gluttony is impossible to hide, especially when you see hutterites walking around, fat and immodestly dressed, so much so, that you stand as witnesses against yourselves, when you remain united to those whose belly is seen before they are, and are not ashamed, and your ministers are not the least of these, they who are to be an example are among the biggest gluttons... the same of drunkenness, which is common among you, I had a minister from the hutterites call me a false prophet because I said that a gay man who would repent and come to Christ could be saved through the gospel, which is true,1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. Toby tried to say that because it says they will not inherit the kingdom of God, they will never be able to...I find the hypocrisy there astounding, for it clearly says, " such were some of you"... they could be saved in Christ (if they would believe and repent, and leave their sin, be born again, ect). He called me a false prophet for this, while in the same passage it lists revilers and drunkards! What does he do with that? His Thompson colony has been particularly wicked, one of their men, Marvin, called me and the vile language he used, includes most of those listed above among others, and he is not alone there, most of the members there are foul mouthed revilers and swear worse than those who do not claim to be of God. And what about drunkards? His colony, and to be impartial here, I do not personally know of one hutterite colony, that does not have drunkards on it. His colony has had incidents of ****drunkenness where police where involved, (a man died)**** I will not say more, as I do not personally know the details, but why is this among you, and you still think yourselves to be a church, and can talk about hope and light? I have had hutterites show up at my house after I told them not to, and it took the police telling them it is trespassing and criminal harrasment to get them to stop! I will confess that I had been partial towards them, even letting them in my house at one point...Shall I keep going? Scripture commands Titus 2:6 Young men likewise exhort to be sober minded. Yet among you, a large portion of your youth drinks, parties, and does drugs like Marijuana. How many people, when they find out I used to be a hutterite, say something like, " Oh, I used to live there-or-there, next to so-and-so colony, used to party with them, they party like rock stars, lots of fun with them". Some among you even grow Marijuana and sell it!! Fornication among you is also not uncommon, your youth is even worse than those you call the world when it comes to recreational dating and impurity. Stealing is not uncommon among you either, thieves will also not inherit the kingdom of God, in some places, when a hutterite walks into a store, they follow them around, to make sure they do not steal something, I saw this myself when I was still among you! 1 Corinthians 5:2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. Oh the arrogant blindness, you are walking towards death and destruction and will not turn out of the way and repent and save yourselves!
Why do you sit among such thistles and rotten fruit, and talk as though you were not guilty?
2 Corinthians 6:14-18 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them ; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing ; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
If you will not listen to the voice of a brother, will you also not listen to this and open your eyes? You have sins, false doctrines, you practice traditions of men and put aside the ways of God, scripture says if we even wish a heretic well we become partakers of his evil deeds, 2 John 1:10-11 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds....and yet you will sit united to these sins, you will turn a blind eye to evil, and then try to say you are not guilty of this, while you do not call it out, and separate from it! How many have told me, I should have remained among you, and tried to work change from the inside. I would be a hypocrite to be a part of the colony I was, and still claim Christ, they have slandered me, the minister there, Joseph, has lied and claimed I have some sin I would not confess to him (which is a cursed false doctrine in itself) ,which thing, though I know to be a false doctrine, I can say is not true. They are not even the resemblance of a church there, even by hutterite standards, one could quite literally get away with any sin there, as long as you went along with everyone else's sin...the things that happened there and were never dealt with biblically include drunkenness,(even the minister) immodesty, (literally public nakedness, women in bikinis sunbathing publicly), stealing,( the minister is a hypocrital thief who took community money for his own pocket), foul language,( brothers could swear and yell at each other in a meeting and as long as it blew over it was all good) feminism, ( the stewards wife walked around dressed like a man, even in pants) and much much more.. How could we be a part of Christ and a part of that? I do not excuse myself, I was a hutterite among you, and full of much of the same hypocrisy, but by the grace of God, we repented and left it! And how can any of you claim to be a part of the body of Christ while you are a part of a body of sin? Listen to what Christ says! Revelation 2:14-16 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
Or are you prideful enough to think the Lord will somehow overlook that you have all these sins among you? You are, whether you know it or do not know it, whether you wish it or do not wish it, you are united to it. Repent and come out of it, then you will not be. You whitewash your graves before men, to try and make your image appear clean, and you can deceive many, but if all your sins were called out, it would show you to be the filthy whore of Babylon, and not the chaste bride of Christ!
Isaiah 58:1 Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.
This is hardly scratching the surface of the sin and wickedness among you, and you all know it, Repent lest you perish, judgement is coming, and Revelation 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it [heaven] any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Ezekiel 18:30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord God. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
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